Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby MrSG1 » May 15, 2009 8:28 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html

See for yourself, does this make the US any different than an African nation that does this?
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby Canadian_Ambassador » May 15, 2009 9:36 pm

Complete with training them on man-boy love..
There have been numerous cases over the last three decades in which police officers supervising Explorers have been charged, in civil and criminal cases, with sexually abusing them


Not surprising conduct from these slimy pigs. I wonder if they started molesting them in the training where they're sticking a knee in their back. That'll "shut them up". :roll:

Observe what goes on in American terrorist training camps...
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby CTMountaineer » May 17, 2009 10:18 pm

They are advanced "Explorer" scouts... almost adults.
I think the training is a good idea. We need to increase
consciousness in our citizenry about respect for our
Nation's laws. And, yes... we are quite a bit different
than an African country. We actually have something
worth defending and protecting. Hell, we even protect
you ingrates. Criticize us for that why don't you?
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby lesterBfearsome » May 17, 2009 11:30 pm

CTMountaineer wrote:Hell, we even protect
you ingrates. Criticize us for that why don't you?

lol so bitter.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby BeaverFever » May 18, 2009 9:50 am

Militarizing youth groups sounds like the American version of Hitler Youth. What's the dif?
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby NJguy » May 18, 2009 4:48 pm

Damn I wish I went through this when i was in the scouts...too bad.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby NJguy » May 18, 2009 4:53 pm

BeaverFever wrote:Militarizing youth groups sounds like the American version of Hitler Youth. What's the dif?


don't be stupid
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby Sovernty » May 18, 2009 11:14 pm

CTMountaineer wrote: And, yes... we are quite a bit different
than an African country.

No wild elephants in Connecticut? :)
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby lesterBfearsome » May 18, 2009 11:31 pm

what does fighting have to do with scouting? they are opposites. There is no natural step from scouting to soldier. Makes me think they are exploiting their good nature.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby CTMountaineer » May 18, 2009 11:49 pm

BeaverFever wrote:Militarizing youth groups sounds like the American version of Hitler Youth. What's the dif?


A Canadian socialist probably wouldn't recognize the difference. Since leftists
think of government control and nazi like activities on the part of government
as being par for the course, they would associate such negativity with any
such activity. From our point of view, the difference is these young men are
learning how to accept responsibility and the importance of taking a stand for
their country and its way of life. It is an excellent idea.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby lesterBfearsome » May 19, 2009 12:02 am

the difference is exploiting these young men's sense of responsibility and way of life as easy targets for boosting soldier recruits.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby Americalex » May 19, 2009 12:53 am

The author of that New York Times article wrote:Ten minutes into arrant mayhem in this town near the Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran, has already taken out two people, one slumped in his desk, the other covered in blood on the floor.

That sure falls in line with the rest of what we've heard DHS dish out lately: American War Veterans being show-cased to teenagers as likely enemies of the state. That's professional grade indoctrination. It shows that America's dumbing down has reached a critical mass where they are now free to do those things and the emerging socialist generation loves it. All they seem to care about is excitement and a good pay check, something the New America is eager to provide to it's fresh crop of sir yes sirs.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby BeaverFever » May 19, 2009 1:14 am

think of government control and nazi like activities on the part of government
as being par for the course,


What nazi-like activities???? It is not Canada but YOUR country whose state spies upon, detains, and tortures citizens at will without due process. Not to mention places the interests of powerful private corporations above those of the average citizen, just like the nazis did. YOUR country is the one that brainwashes children with enless salutes to the flag, coerced pledges of allegiance and nationalist propaganda about portraying your country as superior to the rest of the world and a manifestation of god's will. Not to mention blaming all your nation's social and economic ills on a visible immigrant population. YOUR nation is that one that has been in a near constant state of war with countries all over the world since its founding, has invaded both its neighbours and has expanded its borders through military invasion. If there is any democracy flirting with nazism, its yours, buddy. No question.

All we have is publicly funded health insurance.

Up here we have army, air and sea cadets to introduce interested youth to the military trades and culture, although they don't get into anything more advanced than camping, flying gliders and target shooting with bolt-action Lee Enfields. Scouts and Girl Guides have nothing to do with the military up here and I think that's a good thing. Not all youth activities have to be stealth recrtu
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby NJguy » May 19, 2009 8:59 pm

lesterBfearsome wrote:what does fighting have to do with scouting? they are opposites. There is no natural step from scouting to soldier. Makes me think they are exploiting their good nature.


Wrong, scouting was formed and based off of military training and military values, it was modeled off of the military. If your an Eagle Scout in the US, when you join the US military your automatically bumped up a rank. Scouting has roots as a militaristic organization and is organized as such. Scouting was created by an army general. They used to teach things like skinning, and intense wilderness survival etc. Its been scaled back since then. Scouts in the old days used to be dropped off in the woods and were expected to emerge alive after traveling I think 10 miles in the forest.

Scouting is not about selling popcorn and helping old ladies cross the street contrary to popular belief. I used to train in wilderness survival, and I have spent 11 days in the mountains of New Mexico.

lesterBfearsome wrote:the difference is exploiting these young men's sense of responsibility and way of life as easy targets for boosting soldier recruits.


You obviously know nothing about the organization. Scouts used to wear uniforms modeled off of the Army. There many similarities between the Hitler Youth and the BSA, except for the fact that the BSA did not indoctrinate its youth with political beliefs and the BSA is older. Military values on the other hand, yes. Scouting is supposed to turn boys into men.


Get this, when a Scout makes Eagle, not only do they get a letter from the office of the White House, they also get letters from the office of the Joint Chiefs. Also a host of other government certificates, and a marine or other service member is often present at the ceremony. It is often very nationalistic and militaristic at times even to this day. I would know, I got it, and I have seen it multiple times.

Does this combat training thing come as a surprise to me? Not really I did something similar with the NJ state troopers as a Scout.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby NJguy » May 19, 2009 9:49 pm

What nazi-like activities???? It is not Canada but YOUR country whose state spies upon, detains, and tortures citizens at will without due process. Not to mention places the interests of powerful private corporations above those of the average citizen, just like the nazis did. YOUR country is the one that brainwashes children with enless salutes to the flag, coerced pledges of allegiance and nationalist propaganda about portraying your country as superior to the rest of the world and a manifestation of god's will. Not to mention blaming all your nation's social and economic ills on a visible immigrant population. YOUR nation is that one that has been in a near constant state of war with countries all over the world since its founding, has invaded both its neighbours and has expanded its borders through military invasion. If there is any democracy flirting with nazism, its yours, buddy. No question


Beaver that's about the biggest load of bullshit I have read in a long time. The more I talk to you, the more I get the idea that the only thing you know of America is what comes out of your tv. Might I remind you that Russia has half of the wolds neo-nazi's, and they lean a lot more on the side of your political beliefs than ours.

O since our founding we have been at war with countries all over the world you say...I say kiss my ass cause thats fucking ignorant.

We had our war of independence.
War of 1812, fought to remove British blockade, pretty just
WWI, Germany tries to get Mexico to invade USA, pretty just again on our part
WWII, we were physically attacked, again just on our part
Korea, attempting to stop Soviet spread of Communism, not so bad
Vietnam, also attempting to defy Soviet Union by Stopping communism, while fucking Europe cuts its defense budget sits on its ass and lets America deal with the Soviets all by ourselves while they pump money into their social programs that we couldn't fucking afford all while sitting under the blanket of American security in Eastern Europe.
Grenada, save US citizens stop rebels
Gulf War, remove Saddam from Kuwait and stop him from invading Saudi Arabia which he was planning on which would have given him 1/3rd of the worlds oil supplies. Also pretty fucking just
Kosovo Stopped a genocide while the Euros sat o ntheir asses as usual. Pretty fuckin just
Afghanistan, flushing out terrorists in a tribal lawless land and attempting to build a society out of nothing. Not so unjustified.
Iraq, highly debatable, but Bush saw his moment out of post 9/11 hysteria. He had his objectives and he took the gamble. Now Iraq will never have the opportunity to create wmd's, which by the way were always on Saddam's priority list. Ask the Isreali's when they bombed that Iraq nuclear facility. Bush cost us dearly financially, but its an investment that history will judge.

You have an other problems with our invading the world Beaver? Maybe America would have had universal health care along time ago, if we didn't have to police the fucking planet while the rest of the western worlds sits around and reaps the benefits.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby BeaverFever » May 19, 2009 11:24 pm

Although you're missing a big chunk of US history between 1812 and WWI, I dont really want to rehash all the old US imperialism argument, my point is just that the "nazi like activities " CTM leveled against Canada is pretty ridiculous considering this country is pretty much the opposite of a military agressor state.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby lesterBfearsome » May 20, 2009 12:50 am

NJguy wrote:
lesterBfearsome wrote:the difference is exploiting these young men's sense of responsibility and way of life as easy targets for boosting soldier recruits.


You obviously know nothing about the organization. Scouts used to wear uniforms modeled off of the Army. There many similarities between the Hitler Youth and the BSA, except for the fact that the BSA did not indoctrinate its youth with political beliefs and the BSA is older. Military values on the other hand, yes. Scouting is supposed to turn boys into men.

what about the women?

anyways i was too in scouts and i don't recall any fighting or combat training or any value of such. it was about passing down certain traditions that required comradery and responsibility. these are also good qualities for a soldier, but are not instilled for that reason.

would it be "fascist" to train children as pawns for the state?
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby lesterBfearsome » May 20, 2009 12:52 am

BeaverFever wrote:Although you're missing a big chunk of US history between 1812 and WWI, I dont really want to rehash all the old US imperialism argument, my point is just that the "nazi like activities " CTM leveled against Canada is pretty ridiculous considering this country is pretty much the opposite of a military agressor state.

haha just skip over the civil war and KKK.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby BeaverFever » May 20, 2009 9:59 am

I was a Beaver Scout and a Cub Scout, and it was about camping, fishing, first aid, arts and crafts, etc. It was fun for a while but I dropped out when I discovered girls. Suddenly spending my weekend in a tent with a bunch of boys didn't seem so interesting.

I would be really really really surprised if anyone got advanced standing in the US or any other nation's military based on scouting activity. Regardless of how the youth in scouts are indoctrinated and "prepared" for military careers, scouting just isn't comparable to actual military service, not in culture or in the types of activities they undertake. You can't take children on gruelling field marches where hypothermia and heatstroke cause grown adults to drop like flies. You don't get the real combat arms training that would give you advanced standing. And the informal culture that exists among the younger troops in the military focuses on blowing shit up, drinking, fighting and/or fucking. I can't think of a single down-time activity we engaged in when I was in the reserves that didn't revolve around getting hammered and/or chasing skirts. It is 180 degrees from the leave-it-to-beaver, "golly gee whillackers, lets go to church and then do good deeds" culture of the boy scouts. Heck, you'd probably get beaten up by your fellow soldiers if you went in there showing off all your scout badges.
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Re: Scouts Train to Fight Terrorists, and More

Postby CTMountaineer » May 20, 2009 10:30 am

Our scouting is a bit more rigorous. That should not surprise you.
We see it as building character and a habit of public service, so
from our point of view there is indeed a natural progression from
advanced scout to military, police, or fire service. Not everyone
chooses to follow it, but you will find that most of the career people
in those fields here went through scouting as youth.

I have no trouble at all, though, visualizing you making paper machet
dolls there Beaver.
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