Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby daweiman » Oct 10, 2017 11:07 am

Hello everyone,

This is my first post, on annexation.ca, as far as I can remember.

I would like to discuss here, the practical aspects of creating a political party that would compete at the federal level, at least in the beginning, and that would have as its central plank, negotiating with the United States Senate the admission of Canada's provinces into the Union as states.

I admit that the Supreme Court of Canada has provided criteria for a province to leave the Dominion, and therefore, success at the provincial level would be necessary, so I need eventually to provide a rationale for starting at the federal level.

If there are people on this website who favor "annexation" becoming part of the platform of an existing political party (the Conservatives, I would guess), they should discuss that strategy on another thread.

1. What would be the structure of the Party?
2.1 Who would be granted membership?
2.2 What is a reasonable membership fee?
3. Who would have decision making authority?
4. Ideologies: What belief systems among the membership are tolerated, which ideas are not tolerated?
5. Who is responsible for selecting candidates?
6. It will no doubt take a generation or more to build a Party and win an election - What policies, goals, should the Party have as it struggles in opposition to the existing government (for example: lower cell phone rates; the right of Canadian citizens to work in the U.S. without requiring a green card)?

I will post my answers to these questions by Friday, October 13, 2017 should anyone express an interest on this topic.
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Bayowolf » Oct 10, 2017 7:28 pm

Welcome to the Boards.

I, for one, would be interested in you posting you answers to the questions that you posed.

BTW, it is the whole Congress that admits new States (not just the Senate) by passing a "joint resolution". A joint resolution is passed in the same way as a bill except it does not require the President's signature. As far as I know, the admission of new States would be the only time (except for--maybe--declarations of war) that a Joint Resolution has the force of law without the President's signature.
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Americalex » Oct 12, 2017 9:10 pm

Hi daweiman, and welcome to the forums!

I look forward to hearing your own answers to these interrogations, but here's my take on it. I want to reiterate that I much prefer a federal approach to petitioning for annexation, as the federal government of Canada wields the necessary qualitative sovereignty required to engage in negotiations with the United States as mutually sovereign entities.

1. Party Leader, President, Lieutenant, Board of Directors, General Director, Party Personnel, Provincial/Territorial Associations

2.1. Those who can readily be identified as members of the silent majority (i.e. proponents of human dignity and decency). People who are not into activism or protesting etc.

2.2. The fee could be flexible and left to individual provincial associations.

3. The board of directors (who would double as provincial/territorial association lieutenants).

4. Non racist, non violent, non extremist, non supremacist, non douchebaggoted, etc.

5. The board of directors.

6. It should aim to work collaboratively with all governments in the spirit of the Swiss confederal system. The platform would evidently be centrist and opportunist, with a view on long term growth and prosperity for Canadians anchored in a bilateralist approach. It should attempt to work jointly with governments to establish and increase links with American state institutions and governments, with a view on defining a set of acceptable amendments that would enable both nations to merge in a mutually rewarding way.


But personally, with the exit of Great Britain from the European Union, I tend to view the notion of forming a third western bloc of nordic and oceanic countries to be a more viable and even enviable option, with the USA and EU acting as buffer states until perhaps some chunks of them choose to join. Canada, the UK, Ireland, Denmark (and Greenland), Scotland, Quebec, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Australia, New Zealand, for starters.

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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Nuke » Oct 19, 2017 11:57 pm

Bayowolf wrote:BTW, it is the whole Congress that admits new States (not just the Senate) by passing a "joint resolution". A joint resolution is passed in the same way as a bill except it does not require the President's signature. As far as I know, the admission of new States would be the only time (except for--maybe--declarations of war) that a Joint Resolution has the force of law without the President's signature.

There's a few other cases, like ordering the President to stop a war (or clarifying an existing AUMF), or amending the Constitution.

daweiman wrote:1. What would be the structure of the Party?
2.1 Who would be granted membership?
2.2 What is a reasonable membership fee?
3. Who would have decision making authority?
4. Ideologies: What belief systems among the membership are tolerated, which ideas are not tolerated?
5. Who is responsible for selecting candidates?
6. It will no doubt take a generation or more to build a Party and win an election - What policies, goals, should the Party have as it struggles in opposition to the existing government (for example: lower cell phone rates; the right of Canadian citizens to work in the U.S. without requiring a green card)?

I will post my answers to these questions by Friday, October 13, 2017 should anyone express an interest on this topic.
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1. I'd probably have a model based on US political parties, in order to help familiarize Canadians with how American political parties work. A National Committee would be in charge of the national party, and the state parties would have their own parties -- but would not be allowed to leave the Canadian party unless their provinces seceded from Canada.
2.1. Qualified Canadian voters in Canada (federal political party) or the province or area in question for provincial and other local equivalents.
2.2. I am not sure, $30? We don't have membership fees in the US AFAIK.
3. Depends on the decision being made.
4. Support for free speech, opposition to SJW policies, reducing federal power (transferring responsibilities for many things, like Canadian Medicare, to the provinces, thereby enabling annexation without abolishing equivalent federal programs in Canada), reducing government spending, opposition to deficit spending, support for firearms rights and extradition of criminals potentially facing the death penalty to the United States, opposition to European-style laicite in Quebec in favor of a free exercise and non-establishment model of secularism, opposition to blingualism (because bilingualism would be a dealbreaker since we'd need to go trilingual with the Spanish-speakers next), etc.
5. Voters who would elect their candidates in party primaries, the exact methodologies of which would be controlled by the provincial parties, and with each province and territory allocated delegates in accordance with their population.
6. Generally anything that makes America and Canada closer. I think there's a lot of ways to criticize the Trudeau government.

Also, please post your answers, Daweiman. It's the 19th.
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Americalex » Oct 20, 2017 7:42 pm

Also, please post your answers, Daweiman. It's the 19th.

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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Bayowolf » Oct 21, 2017 1:39 pm

^^^^^^^^
I hope we didn't scare him off!
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby ebarlow » Aug 28, 2018 1:05 pm

While it has been a while since I have posted here, I believe the time has come to start working on creating a viable political party that is in both countries in order to work for the same goals. We have seen this with many parties on the Left and how they coordinate their efforts towards a common goal. This should be a model that we pursue. As for who should be a part of it, it should be open to everyone from both Canada and the US who have a desire to work towards the union between the two nations.

As of current politics, we are watching the Conservative Party of Canada split due to some disagreements, and President Trump just signed a deal with Mexico and has moved to cancel NAFTA. This would be a great time to help to push this agenda of annexation into the US, as it would be the biggest deal that could ever be made for both of the countries.

We need to start looking outside of the box and the same old things happening. We need to move forward with all of the succession movements that are alive and well in Canada and make it a coordinated effort on all of our parts. Also, word needs to get out here in the US that our brothers and sisters in the north want to be a part of this great country of ours.

Thoughts?
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Americalex » Aug 28, 2018 2:13 pm

That's a very clever reading of the situation, I like it and I'm all for it!
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby ebarlow » Aug 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Americalex wrote:That's a very clever reading of the situation, I like it and I'm all for it!


I say the quicker we are able to form such a party the better. We need to work across the boarder and build a broad base of support, not just here in the US but also in Canada. People need to have their issues discussed and real viable solutions need to be brought up as to how a merger would work. Who does what and when, working out the details as to how to approach the annexation process.

Like many others, maybe take a whack at one of the major issues and solve that first while laying the groundwork for further progress. Maybe a customs and monetary union may need to be the first step (a total rethink of a trade agreement between our two nations. Building these deep ties that people would always see, could lead to follow on conversations about how the rest of the annexation should happen. I see things happening in steps, cause there are so many issues that need to be resolved between our two governments, and they may take some time to come to a solution that both peoples could live with.

I also think that the book "Merger of the Century" should be a great road-map as to how we might actually accomplish this. Not only does it spell out the practical steps, but it even identifies some ways in which we could feasibly work around the issues.

Thoughts? Or am I just another crazy American that hopes for the impossible?
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Americalex » Sep 05, 2018 12:36 pm

You are definitely not crazy and not hoping for the impossible. If there is any hope in the world of a consent based fusion of two nations together, it is our nations. And I also absolutely agree with a federal level approach to politics when approaching this project, the "ideal annexation" scenario being obviously optimal.

I'll add further thoughts later but for sure, all of the contributors to this project need to be accounted for their effort, if we can leverage the research and ideas put forth by all those who looked at this vision with a serious eye, venturing constructive means of realizing it, we can truly lay down the cards so to speak, not only communicating the why, but also the how clearly.
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Re: Creating a Canadian pro-annexation political party

Postby Windwalker » Sep 09, 2018 8:00 pm

While it has been a while since I have posted here, I believe the time has come to start working on creating a viable political party that is in both countries in order to work for the same goals. We have seen this with many parties on the Left and how they coordinate their efforts towards a common goal.


The only way I could see this idea picking up enough steem to break through the cycle here would be to get Trump to drop the Republicans and join an Independent ticket with Bernie Sanders as the VP in 2020.... Trump would prob do it, considering his roots are New York Style Democrat with Republicanesque twist for punching through red tape... Biggest issue would prob be Turmp having dug in so deep with the hard-right crowd rhetorically, it would prob take the Republicans coming down on the wrong side of a blatant 2nd ammendment issue or something liek that for Trump to bring his support with him to an independent ticket.

If Bernie and Donnie were vigilent and careful in the coordination of their campaigns, they could HANDILY take 85 plus percent of the popular vote. It would be a combination of negociating a deal where both camps get their goals, and also where both camps ran interference for each other against the Dems and Repubs, respectively, like flipping a one-sided coin.

the thing about the Socialism/Capitalism dichotomy that most people miss.... BOTH systems are proven capable of becoming a Space-faring Culture.... Our "Lawyers as Leaders" society that is neither Socialist nor Capitalist that we currently live in... is a proven NON-SPACE-FARING Society...
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