Strange Map of the Day

Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Windwalker » Jun 29, 2017 12:08 pm

Americalex wrote:I'd be curious to study the CSA along which protestant denominations composed it, and seeing which were most supportive and most landed with slave labour. The CSA was financially sponsored by France and Britain was it not?


IDK that much about direct support from Britain and France, but there were certainly significant commercial interests from Britain and France for the war to end, one way or the other. Britain had anticipated the conflict, and built up a massive surplus of cotton for its textile industry (several years worth at full production) and started ramping-up cotton production once the conflict broke out in colonies such as India.

It is no secret many Southern leaders were disgruntled that Mexico was not maintained as a US colony following their defeat in the Mexican-American war. They blamed Northern leader's desires to prevent further spread of Slavery for this. The CSA had long-term aspirations of military conquest in the Caribbean and of re-conquering Mexico again. France's blatant military adventure into Mexico during the same conflict may have been partially to strengthen their holdings in the Caribbean against anticipated competition from the CSA (should it be successful in its secession attempt). There may have very-well been back-channel talks between France and the CSA, but if so both were likely holding a dagger behind their backs during the talks, while hedging their bets on how they would divide up Latin America with each other down the road.

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Religion in the South at the time was unique in that most of the African-American slave population had converted to Christianity. Much of the previous race-based justification for Slavery in the South was based on the concept that it was God's punishment against the African people as punishment for following their formerly-indigenous religious traditions imported from African that were related to what the West would describe as Animism and/or Paganism. As the Slave population came to be almost fully Christian in nature and were starting to become literate as well, the larger Christian community (including many of the slave Congregations) began to shift from one of viewing Slavery as a "punishment" and instead seeing it through the lense of defining it as a "natural" state of Mankind's relationship with God. That slavery was common during the times of the old testament, and the "Bible" was being defined in a rigid literal sense, became the more prominent (though also more abstract) justification for continuing the practice on religious grounds.

Though for different reasons, both the White and Black sub-sets of the Christian community in the South devolved into interpretations of Christianity that increasingly focused on the submission of the personal "will" to that of the "will of God". The White congregations submitted to this interpretation of submitting to a god who becomes "increasingly more submission-demanding and vengeful" to justify enslaving their fellow Christians, and the Black congregations also began to see god a vengeful actor that demanded submission, but rather than as a justification for the practice of Slavery, as a "test" given to them by God, building a solidarity between their cause and the cause of the Jewish peoples during their time as Slaves to the Egyptians.
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Americalex » Jun 29, 2017 8:54 pm

I read up a bit on it and it turns out that France and Britain were never for the CSA in any tangible way, I guess I was misled and wrong from some movie which I can't recall that portrayed them as schemers meeting up with them to connive, but in reality they were very much invested with the North, never really contemplating any formal recognition of the South etc.

I'd be curious to know the main denominations of plantation owners who purchased slaves from the sephardi traders and the islamic slavers who provided them with their stocks of unfortunates. It's funny the way humanist history has a way of never mentioning that the Catholic Church which composes a billion adherents never considered non Catholics as actual christians.

Until humanists took shit over obviously and transformed it into their Roman Humanist Church of course.
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Windwalker » Jun 29, 2017 10:33 pm

Americalex wrote:I'd be curious to know the main denominations of plantation owners who purchased slaves from the sephardi traders and the islamic slavers who provided them with their stocks of unfortunates.


Thats an interesting angle... I will poke around and see what I can come up with. The slave trade was a pretty dirty, underhanded business, though, and records would be hard to verify and wildly inaccurate. For example, most of the African-American slave population that supposedly originated from the Ivory Coast have been shown through analyzing their ancestor's DNA to (in reality) be descended from the same tribe that makes up the population of the modern-day nation of Uganda....

They could have been captured by other African tribes and force-marched across the Congo, or they could have been smuggled by Muslim or Dutch traders around the Horne of Africa.... We will probably never know except that the Plantation owners that purchased them were purchasing people who were from the Ivory Coast on paper. I don't think that the Slavers really cared all that much if their dialect and cultural background matched the paperwork, they got paid per-head based on the quality of the stock, not the legitimacy of their origin.

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Where you might be able to produce some sort of link is to look for correlations between the denominations of the actual Plantation owners, and if there were any commercial links with the same denominations regarding the Naval powers in control of the actual Slave-ship routes from the same time period.
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Bayowolf » Jul 01, 2017 9:57 am

Americalex wrote:Throwing sarcasm at those who dare attack contagion vectors of humanist inspired slavery, shares a lot about yourself.

Are you talking to me? If so:

For the record I did think that "purified satanical" was quite clever (though, I admit, not really a kneeslapper); however, were you really attacking "contagion vectors" with that joke?
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Windwalker » Jul 01, 2017 12:05 pm

Americalex wrote:I'd be curious to know the main denominations of plantation owners who purchased slaves from the sephardi traders and the islamic slavers who provided them with their stocks of unfortunates.


Turns out it took a lot less research than I thought it would. The Plantation owners, while not known to be very supportive of their Churches, were almost all to a man Anglicans. The Anglican religion was dominant in the South during the 17th and early 18th Century. Lower-class Whites and Slaves began converting en-mass to the Baptist and Methodist faiths between about 1750 up until the Civil War [Partly due to these Faiths not requiring Slave owners to free their Slaves for converting to Christianity (as the Anglican Church did, on paper anyway) and also because these populations were able to combine some of their pre-established traditions with their new Faith.]

The Anglican Church, in 2006, formally apologized for its direct involvement in the Slave-trade. Apparently, they were the central managing body, via their "Society for the Propagation of the Faith in Foreign Parts" based in the Caribbean, but which was managed by a board made up of Arch-Bishops and Bishops across England (including York, Canterbury, and London). Many hundreds and even thousands of Slaves were often listed as the personal property of said Bishops while they underwent their 'training' on the "Society" owned plantations in the Caribbean to be converted from African-Tribesmen to suitable Slave-workers before being transferred to the ownership of the Plantations in North America proper.

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My guess is that all the loaded Slaver-ships coming into the "Society" administered ports in the Caribbean were from all-parts of Africa and the Middle-East, but the paperwork as to the actual origin of the "raw-material" (i.e. enslaved human beings) was drawn up so as to maximize profit and minimize political backlash. It wasn't uncommon during that time for ships to have a half-dozen National Flags and different sets of documents from each nation. Ship's Captains (and apparently Anglican Archbishops) from that period were among some of the best fraudsters, counter-fitters, forgery artists, and general scoundrels the world has ever known.

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Here is the official map:

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Which leaves a lot of questions as to why DNA research shows greater than 80% of African Americans in the South are descended from the same Tribe as the Ugandans.

(Ironic that Uganda is also now primarily an English-speaking nation of almost all Christians. Perhaps there is a psychic connection between them and their distant cousins in America? lol.)
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

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Re: Strange Map of the Day

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I like the way this one shows "Slaves" as a geographic resource on the map.... much in-tune to the thinking of the time for the explorers and maritime-traders.
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Fat Tony » Sep 08, 2017 5:04 am

Love the FAMAS. The only modern service rifle using lever delayed blowback. Too bad they are being phased out. My impression on this is that the entire stock of FAMAS in the French inventory will be destroyed. MAS no longer exists, supposedly spare parts are running out.
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Americalex » Sep 09, 2017 9:35 pm

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I'm looking for a map like this but just around WW2, if anyone sees one be sure to let me know, I'm designing an Axis & Allies type board game at the moment!
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Windwalker » Sep 10, 2017 2:31 am

I have been pondering how you would simulate the cold-war/ww3 using AaA as the platform....

My thought was, you could incorperate the existing technologies from one of the existing games (probably 1940 Global) and add a second layer of techs in a simple tech-tree, that includes nukes and the ability to increase the PU output of territories via investment.....

You would start by playing the regular 1940 Global game, then on a set turn (probably round 6 or 7?) America automatically gains nuclear weapons.... some adjustments are then made based on troop numbers and who has control of which territories.....

I was also thinking, unless America has control of Tokyo at the start of the cold-war (in which case Japan would switch sides) then Japan would get to choose which side they want to be on for the cold-war.
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Americalex » Sep 10, 2017 1:00 pm

This was somewhat attempted in a game called "Operation Unthinkable", the British plan for war against the Soviet Union after the defeat of germany,

http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/Op ... _2024.html

The game I'm designing is indeed for WW2 with an A&A foundation, and the way I'm doing tech it would be easy to stack on another three levels of tech for each path, allowing for things to go foward from there.

But I'm doing many things differently with the hope of truly making the best A&A type game ever by far. I'm buying myself a 3d printer to build out a prototype but I think I will need the services of a 3d graphist to make things properly.

Right now my internal debate is on how to deal with the petitesse of Europe relative to it's giant footprint in terms of actual warring during said period, I don't want to abandon the asia theatre, and I want a single map for an axis linkup.

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The basemap as it stands now. 7 playable factions: British Commonwealth, Nazi Germany, United States of America, Soviet Russia, Imperial Japan, Tripartite Affiliates (Italy, Hungary, Rumania, Bulgaria, Finland, Thailand), Neutral Nations.

It kind of makes sense to put Allied affiliates and invaded neutrals in the control of the USA player, albeit as separate entites to manage while they get rolled over.
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Windwalker » Sep 10, 2017 7:57 pm

These might be some maps worth considering when developing an East-West connection for an AaA style game:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway#World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway#World_War_II wrote:...During the first two years of the war the USSR was secretly allied with Germany. While Germany's merchant shipping was interdicted by the Western allies, the Trans-Siberian Railway (along with its Trans-Manchurian branch) served as the essential link between Germany and Japan...

...The situation reversed after 22 June 1941. By invading the Soviet Union, Germany cut off its only reliable trade route to Japan. ... On the other hand, the USSR became the recipient of lend lease supplies from the USA. ...[which] accounted for as much freight as the two other routes (North-Atlantic/Arctic and Iranian) combined...
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Americalex » Sep 10, 2017 9:15 pm

lol yes the number of blunders done constantly by Hitler has me thinking that he was suiciding Germany on purpose.. He literally declared war on Russia 2 months after Japan signed a non aggression pact with them = wth was he thinking.

Recently I discovered that the North-East part of Poland that the soviets gobbled up was actually the remnant of "white russia
", which had managed to survive by associating itself to Poland.

Nazi Germany = their entire stockpile of oil for 5 years of warfare came from Russia. Their entire initial luftwaffe and panzers were made in Russia, trained in Russia, etc..

And yet when he declared war he didn't focus only on Baku and Grozni... 50% of the europeans oil production. Instead he got bogged down in ridiculous forrays all around the place.

Heck he wasted incredible amounts of oil just doing the meaningless campaign against Britain.. especially the part about bombing London instead of military targets which was absolutely counter productive.

Not to mention the feckless V-1 and V-2 rockets which were entirely inconsequential despite costing tremendous amounts of energy and resources to develop and produce.. their actual impact is laughable.

Or how he delayed by two years the arrival of jet figthers because he was insisting they'd be multirole fighter-bombers.. etc, etc, etc, the never retreat rules of engagement which are absolutely retarded considering the vast swathes of space that could have been traded... the list is infinite.

He was a humanist and a socialist, a good example of stupidity at it's near apogee. The Japanese were douchebags too in their own way.. but that is a story for another day.

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I'm introducing a couple more notions: stacked population (destroyable), stackable factories (destroyable), stackable resources (destroyable). But the board and pieces themselves will undergo major innovations.

http://www.world-war-2.info/statistics/

Metric tons per year:

USA 182.657 Mt
USSR 29.700 Mt
Venezuela 27.443 Mt
Iran 10.426 Mt
Indonesia 7.939 Mt
Mexico 6.721 Mt
Romania 5.764 Mt

A crazy stack of oil wells in the USA relative the others lol
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Fat Tony » Sep 14, 2017 6:02 pm

"Squish-squash sightings in North America over 92 years"

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http://www.joshuastevens.net/visualizat ... nd-canada/

Not sure if you can codify with any degree of repeatability something which is as ephemeral as a Squish-Squash sighting.

What units are suitable for squish -squash sightings? :p

To his credit he did mention some confounding variables, if you can call them that! :mrgreen:
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Re: Strange Map of the Day

Postby Fat Tony » Sep 14, 2017 6:13 pm

Soviet era gulags:

each dot represents a penal camp or psychiatric mental institution.

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http://www.rymaszewski.iinet.net.au/6escape.html
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