The Fatness Map

Re: The Fatness Map

Postby Occident » May 11, 2009 5:42 pm

I've found variation among asians is about the same as it for whites. Some of my girlfriends (chinese) family work in their own take-away and so they just eat what is essentialy fast food at really odd times. It aint a healthy way to live. I wouldnt be surprised if a contributing factor to ethnic minority weight issues is the fact that a large amount of them work in family owned fast-food places.
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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby Foxfire » May 18, 2009 4:07 am

Volumes now are just different, and more and more emphasis not to put social pressure on the 'fat'. Once the culture gets started it's insidious, hang out with overweight people and you're more likely to become that way as well because you feel less need to diet right around them. The stats back it.

Though, trends in Europe are catching up with the US, what those maps don't show is where they have increased. Italy, France, Germany, UK all experienced increases in the waistline and the trend isn't stopping for the moment.
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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby BeaverFever » May 19, 2009 1:23 am

Immigrants Pack On Pounds in U.S.
Obesity Rates Increased After 10 Years Of Living In U.S.

CHICAGO, Dec. 14, 2004 | by Bootie Cosgrove-Mather


(AP) Long-term exposure to American culture may be hazardous to immigrants' health.

A new study found that obesity is relatively rare in the foreign-born until they have lived in the United States - the land of drive-thrus, remote controls and double cheeseburgers - for more than 10 years.

Only 8 percent of immigrants who had lived in the United States for less than a year were obese, but that jumped to 19 percent among those who had been here for at least 15 years. That compared with 22 percent of U.S.-born residents surveyed.

The study, published in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association, shows the flip side of the American dream of finding a better life in the land of plenty.

"Part of the American dream and sort of life of leisure is that you also have some of the negative effects, and obesity is one of the major side effects of the success of technology and just having a life of leisure," said co-author Dr. Christina Wee of Harvard Medical School. "It's a double-edged sword."

Previous studies have shown that immigrants tend to have healthier habits, including less smoking and drug use, than U.S.-born residents, and longer life spans. Researchers suspect that is at least partly because those who choose to immigrate could be unusually healthy, since uprooting to another country requires strength and vitality. But the earlier studies did not look at how obesity rates among immigrants changed over time.

The link between obesity and numbers of years in the United States was found in white, Hispanic and Asian immigrant groups. It was not seen in foreign-born blacks, but their numbers in the study were too small to draw any conclusions, said lead author Dr. Mita
Sanghavi Goel of Northwestern University in Chicago.

"Trends in obesity among immigrants may reflect acculturation and adoption of the U.S. lifestyle, such as increased sedentary behavior and poor dietary patterns," they wrote. "They may also be a response to the physical environment of the United States, with increased availability of calorically dense foods and higher reliance on labor-saving technologies."

Goel said it makes sense that exposure to America's fast-food culture would eventually rub off, but she said she was surprised by the magnitude of the change.

The results are worrisome, particularly since immigrants often face a language barrier and other obstacles to good health care, the researchers said.

While people tend to get heavier as they age, the study found that the weight gain in immigrants was above what would be expected from aging, Goel said.

The study involved data on 32,374 participants in a 2000 national health survey, 14 percent of whom were immigrants. The study relied on what the participants reported about their weight.

The study sends "a sobering message," said Dr. Glenn Flores, director of a Medical College of Wisconsin center that treats minority and immigrant children.

Flores said immigrants might do well to cling to healthy traditions such as diets rich in fruits, vegetables and fiber. And native-born Americans might want to adopt some of those "foreign" habits, too, he said.

Obesity in the United States "just isn't going to go away unless we rethink what we're doing," Flores said.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/14/health/main661080.shtml

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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby MrSG1 » Jun 08, 2009 10:43 pm

This is for the "obese" category, what I'd be curious to know is overweight in general. Obese is usually defined as a Body Mass Index higher than 30. I'm no one to talk about it, I live in car loving, laziness suburbia. In fact, I heard, Peel Region, which includes where I live, Brampton, Mississauga and Caledon, Caledon being a rural township style area, the first 2 places combined have over 1.2 million people, I heard on the news recently that somewhere around 58% of people in Peel Region are at least overweight, and trust me, I see it all the time. Unfortuantely, I'm one of those people, but I'm slimming, I'll just be honest and say my BMI is in the low 40s.

Newfoundland is understandable why it is somewhat higher, but I find this map as a whole to be rather biased, the pink area is the next one from light green, but yet it seems much more serious than light green. Since only NB and NL are pink in Canada, the US stands out more. Newfoundland, don't get me started there, easy going life, and tons of fish and chips, I'm serious.

You cannot blame fast food as to why this happens, it's a very complex issue. The thing that probably killed me the most was the paranoia around parents, but everything slowly has been creeping up, IM taking over meeting friend's at their houses, microwavable food all too common. As I was saying about kids and friends, back when we grew up, we used to go see our friends and walk to their house, the paranoia stopped that with me pretty much, and it stops MANY parents today, people that live less than a block away from a school these days need rides from their parents. IM has replaced socializing with friends. You see all this in the suburban GTA, it happens all the time.

The reason why Ontario for example is not pink or worse, is because of the influx of immigrants, that come mostly from third world areas, that balances out the obesity, but if you were to take suburban GTA by itself, not the City of Toronto, but the "905" belt that surrounds it, I'm sure, you would probably find an obesity rate of around 30% or higher.
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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby lesterBfearsome » Jun 09, 2009 2:10 am

i've lived in the 905 area and i don't think its all that fat. i would be interested in an ontario only fat map to see. but i'd bet ottawa (and north west) is fatter than toronto (and south east). i just took a bus two days ago from toronto to ottawa and when i got off at ottawa i did make the mental note that wow, there are some pretty fat people in here, a few obese. i didn't notice any obese people leaving the toronto station, and there were more people there too. not scientific, i know. but just from living in these two places, i've noticed my self esteem goes way up when i'm in the ottawa area.

for toronto its cultural, more obsessed with superficiality.
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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby NeoNewEnglander » Jun 12, 2009 6:24 am

Want to see something interesting? Compare this map below to the Obesity map:

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These maps should be Exhibits 1A and 1B on why the United States shouldn't have national healthcare. One part of the country clearly has bigger health issues than the others, and the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for their unhealthy culture.
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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby AncientUno » Jun 12, 2009 9:32 am

NeoNewEnglander wrote:Want to see something interesting? Compare this map below to the Obesity map:

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These maps should be Exhibits 1A and 1B on why the United States shouldn't have national healthcare. One part of the country clearly has bigger health issues than the others, and the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for their unhealthy culture.


Not to worry. The US will never see National or Universal Health Care Program even if 100% of it's citizen's wanted one.
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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby Americalex » Jun 12, 2009 11:32 am

Neonewenglander wrote:These maps should be Exhibits 1A and 1B on why the United States shouldn't have national healthcare. One part of the country clearly has bigger health issues than the others, and the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for their unhealthy culture.

Good point, that's why it should be a state by state issue. And I tend to agree with Clubtender that public healthcare in general is a bad idea. I think having a competition of states that have private versus states that have public healthcare would help provide an interesting competition to demonstrate and contrast the failings of the public health care model as opposed to a private one.
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Re: The Fatness Map

Postby AncientUno » Jun 12, 2009 12:48 pm

Americalex wrote:
Neonewenglander wrote:These maps should be Exhibits 1A and 1B on why the United States shouldn't have national healthcare. One part of the country clearly has bigger health issues than the others, and the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for their unhealthy culture.

Good point, that's why it should be a state by state issue. And I tend to agree with Clubtender that public healthcare in general is a bad idea. I think having a competition of states that have private versus states that have public healthcare would help provide an interesting competition to demonstrate and contrast the failings of the public health care model as opposed to a private one.


I'm not sure individual states could afford a public health care system. Competition for private health care here is not going to make health care more affordable or drive the cost down. It hasn't in the past and is not going to happen in the future. The big Pharma companies, the AMA and special interest groups spend millions of dollars to influence politicians (a better word would be to bribe) to make sure there is big profit and the status quo remains in health care.

For me personally the big issue with health care whether public or private is that it is available and affordable. The big question is what is affordable? In that question we are not all created equal, what is affordable to some is not affordable to others.
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