"Nuclear Winter"

"Nuclear Winter"

Postby Fat Tony » Jan 04, 2018 11:44 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

Propaganda, science, or an unknown mixture of the two?

This probably will not appeal to those younger than around 35 yrs. old.

Apparently the old controversies just repell ppl. today! C:|

One might suppose it does not compare with the heady "look at me I'm saving the planet by using less toilet paper" phenomenon. :)
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Americalex » Jan 05, 2018 10:24 am

"Atomic Summer" lol
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Fat Tony » Jan 05, 2018 5:25 pm

Then there is the still unsolved case concerning the disappearance of a Russian physicist who was doing work on the theory for the USSR. This was some time ago.

Climategate is not a new thing! And can I have an atomic blonde with that pls? :P
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Windwalker » Jan 06, 2018 9:28 pm

The "Nuclear Winter" concept isn't without merit, but most of the models developed in the 1980's and earlier were largely over-stated. The models assumed 100% of the radioactive particles from every blast would end up in the jet-stream or higher, that Earth's terrain is 100% flat, and if every nuke in existence all went off at once, basically worst-case-scenario stuff to scare people into buying into the M.A.D. propaganda, for the purpose of promoting popular support for the banning of nuclear arms.

The sad reality of a full-scale, global, nuclear-weapons volley between 2 Nation States is that most of us would survive..... only to find out after that most of us are not capable of growing our food and providing for our own personal security any more, as our fractured infrastructure might take years, or even decades to recover.

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I think the best solution for Humanity to deal with the threat of Psychopaths getting their hands on Nukes is to build giant, geothermal powered greenhouses underground. Of course digging down 200 meters (where most northern latitudes hit a constant 72 degrees F) is cost prohibitive if you don't have a slave-army of starving NoKorean peasants to do the dangerous work by hand...
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Fat Tony » Jan 09, 2018 10:49 pm

Air conditioning, drainage & air quality would be a constant problem. A colossal problem if the grid went down for significant periods.

Geothermal relies on the byproducts of radioactive decay of certain elemental species down there. As a result, this is a finite amount of energy that is available, like fossil fuels for example.

Studies would have to be done as to the maximum size & number of facilities the bedrock could handle over the planned life of the project in the area of interest.

Another concern would be biological monitoring. As the whole thing would be an experiment, it would have to be known what sorts of undesirable organisms might grow down there.

The Cdn. NORAD h.q. bunker in Thunder Bay had to be shut down over biological concerns.

Edit: to add, these systems depending on their capacity can cause earthquakes, which probably will upset the more indignant out rhere! :P
It is a good idea otherwise imo.
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Re: the underground cities of Cappadocia

Postby Fat Tony » Mar 13, 2018 5:15 am

A feat of civil engineering that would be respectable today.

What is known about them: 200 of these cities are said to exist. Reportedly all of them are disused. They are well designed & constructed, with some of them open to tourists & ongoing archaeological studies.

What is not known about them :As they were carved out of the native rock, there are no quarries with evidence.
Who made them? Unknown
Why were they made? Unknown
When were they made? Unknown

Theory: in local surviving literature & folklore, there is reference to refuge from the winter.

Also , I have heard there is some evidence of a genetic bottle neck in human DNA sometime in the distant past. The theory goes that there was an era in humanity when the entire human population was reduced to around 20,000 people.

The last time these cities were used was around 1923. Greeks & Jews were using them as refuge. Then under a treaty Turkey and Greece agreed to voluntarily ethnically cleanse their populations of unwanted ppl. At this point they became vacant once again.
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Re: the underground cities of Cappadocia

Postby Bayowolf » Mar 13, 2018 6:30 pm

Fat Tony wrote:Also , I have heard there is some evidence of a genetic bottle neck in human DNA sometime in the distant past. The theory goes that there was an era in humanity when the entire human population was reduced to around 20,000 people.

There is genetic evidence that a genetic bottleneck occurring between 100,000 and 50,000 years ago. It also has been associated with the Mount Toba catastrophe that occurred about 75,000 years ago.
some Wikipedian wrote:According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations sharply decreased to 3,000–10,000 surviving individuals. It is supported by genetic evidence suggesting that today's humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Genetic_bottleneck_theory
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Fat Tony » Mar 13, 2018 11:19 pm

I guess one of the few ways to estimate the age of these underground cities would be to explore them & catalogue & research the artifacts found. It would be interesting scratch that, fascinating to know what junk - of - the - ages has been found down there lol.
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Americalex » Mar 15, 2018 12:13 pm

Sounds like the great flood story with the dates fudged because of the evolutionist fossil dating pseudo-science geological scale scheme basically. The great flood would have been much more recent than that actually.

Actually, and this may interest Bayowolf, when I was in Arizona, I asked a Hopi tribesman about their origin and he mentioned that they come from the grand canyon, where a race of alien insectoids brought them to hide under the earth while a great deluge happened until it cleared off. Their most important ritual is about climbing out from the underground using a ladder which they reenact every new year's eve, shooting their rifles up in the air in the mobile network coverage free air.
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Fat Tony » Mar 16, 2018 6:28 am

I bet the Hopi have the internet & know about trolling as well lol
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Windwalker » Mar 19, 2018 9:23 am

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Well, if we ever do get around to some serious digging in N America, we have a LOT of real-estate down there.
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Fat Tony » Mar 20, 2018 11:14 pm

http://www.nature.com/articles/nature09332

Background info on Windwalkers post.
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Re: "Nuclear Winter"

Postby Windwalker » Mar 25, 2018 1:02 am

The North American Craton... (a.k.a. "Laurentia") the continent under the continent:

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