Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Hephaestos » Nov 07, 2015 12:46 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/politics/ ... ion-Kerry/

Obama rejects Keystone XL pipeline
By Elise Labott and Dan Berman, CNN
Updated 3:27 PM ET, Fri November 6, 2015

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Washington (CNN) President Barack Obama on Friday rejected the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, ending the political fight over the Canada-to-Texas project that has gone on for much of his presidency.

Secretary of State John Kerry concluded the controversial project is not in the country's national security interest, and Obama announced from the White House that he agreed.

"America is now a global leader when it comes to taking serious action to fight climate change, and frankly, approving this project would have undercut that leadership," Obama said.

The massive project has been a seven-year political football during presidential and congressional elections that has pitted oil companies and Republicans against environmentalists and liberal activists. The State Department has been reviewing the project for much of Obama's time in the White House.

The proposed pipeline would span nearly 1,200 miles across six U.S. states, moving more than 800,000 barrels of carbon-heavy petroleum daily from Canadian oil sands through Nebraska to refineries in the Gulf Coast.

Obama's move comes as the White House continues to promote its environmental agenda and efforts to fight climate change. The Environmental Protection Agency this summer put forward new regulations limiting greenhouse gas emissions from power plants. And next month, Obama will attend the Paris climate talks run by the United Nations, he announced Friday. The White House is hoping to broker an international agreement committing every country to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and enact other policies to curb global warming.

The President has also stepped up his rhetoric on the need to address global warming, pushing back against Republicans and climate skeptics fighting his agenda.

"We know that human activity is changing the climate," Obama said during a visit to Alaska in late summer. "We know that human ingenuity can do something about it. We're even starting to see that we might actually have the political will to succeed. So the time to heed the critics and cynics is past. The time to plead ignorance is surely past. The deniers are increasingly alone, on their own shrinking island."

In a statement Friday, Kerry said the climate impact was the key factor. "The critical factor in my determination was this: moving forward with this project would significantly undermine our ability to continue leading the world in combatting climate change," he said.

Liberals and environmentalists, including top donors such as California's Tom Steyer, who has committed tens of millions of dollars to fighting pro-pipeline political candidates, protested Keystone and made it a cause celebre among Democrats.

The project was a major issue during the 2012 presidential campaign, when GOP candidate Mitt Romney said he would approve the pipeline. Republican candidates in the 2016 race have also pledged to let the project go forward.

House Speaker Paul Ryan didn't mince words in criticizing Obama's action. "This decision isn't surprising, but it is sickening," Ryan said in a statement.

"So sad that Obama rejected Keystone Pipeline," GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump tweeted. "Thousands of jobs, good for the environment, no downside!"

In his speech, Obama said that he believed Keystone has had an "over-inflated role in our political discourse, and said the project's potential to create jobs and the potential environmental threats were exaggerated.

"All of this obscured the fact that this pipeline would neither be the silver bullet to the U.S. economy proclaimed by some, or the death knell to climate proclaimed by others," Obama said.

Obama also cited falling gasoline prices as another argument against the project.

"While our politics have been consumed by a debate about whether or not this pipeline would create jobs or lower gas prices, we've gone ahead and created jobs and lowered gas prices."

The average price of regular gasoline hit $3.94 per gallon in April 2012 and stayed well above $3 for the rest of that election year. But this year, prices have been steadily below $3 per gallon.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has also been caught up in Keystone politics. In October 2010, Clinton indicated she was "inclined" to approve the project but has since backed away from that stance, and in September said she opposes it. Fellow Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley also oppose the pipeline, and Clinton faced criticism from the left for not taking a firm stance.

Sanders noted his long-standing opposition to the project in a statement Friday. "It is insane for anyone to be supporting the excavation and transportation of some of the dirtiest fuel on earth," he said. "As someone who has led the opposition to the Keystone pipeline from Day 1, I strongly applaud the President's decision to kill this project once and for all."

Friday afternoon, Clinton tweeted her approval.

"The right call. Now it's time to make America a clean energy superpower. -H," she tweeted.

Canadian PM Trudeau 'disappointed'

New Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he is "disappointed by the decision" but said he is looking forward to building his relationship with Obama.

"The Canada-U.S. relationship is much bigger than any one project and I look forward to a fresh start with President Obama to strengthen our remarkable ties in a spirit of friendship and cooperation," Trudeau said in a statement. "We know that Canadians want a government that they can trust to protect the environment and grow the economy. The Government of Canada will work hand-in-hand with provinces, territories and like-minded countries to combat climate change, adapt to its impacts, and create the clean jobs of tomorrow."

The lobbying fight over Keystone has been expensive, with all sides spending millions of dollars in an attempt to influence the White House and Congress. The Canadian and Alberta governments in particular have pushed Obama to approve the project, and Obama and Kerry noted the sensitivity of their decision. The President spoke with Trudeau before the White House made the verdict public.

Kerry, in his official determination rejecting the project, said the U.S. government understands the impact it would have.

"As Secretary of State, I fully recognize the importance of this project to Canada, one of our closest strategic allies and energy trading partners," Kerry wrote. "We consulted with our Canadian friends and I spoke with Foreign Minister Dion today regarding this decision. While we understand the impact of this decision on Canada, I am confident that our close and long-standing relationship with Canada will continue to grow stronger in the years ahead."

TransCanada to re-apply?

Friday, TransCanada, the firm behind the $8 billion project, said it will "review all of its options" in light of Obama's decision. "Those options include filing a new application to receive a Presidential Permit for a cross border crude oil pipeline from Canada to the United States," the company's statement said.

"Today, misplaced symbolism was chosen over merit and science - rhetoric won out over reason," company president and CEO Russ Girling said. "TransCanada is reviewing the decision and its rationale. We believe KXL is in the best interest of the United States and Canada."

Earlier this week, Kerry rejected a request by the company to halt its review of the pipeline as it awaits a separate process at the state level. TransCanada said it could take up to 12 months for the Nebraska process to be completed, adding further delay to the already lengthy approval process. But such a move would have pushed the final decision on Keystone past 2016 and left it to Obama's successor.

On Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said "there may be politics at play" in TransCanada's request, suggesting it was an attempt to orchestrate such a scenario.

TransCanada, which has spent at least $2.5 billion on the project thus far, first applied for a permit to build the pipeline in 2008.

Obama vetoed legislation green-lighting the construction of the pipeline in February. At the time, the White House said it opposed the bill because it would have usurped the President's authority to approve or deny the creation of the pipeline and short-circuit the State Department analysis.

Republican candidate reaction

Proponents of the project, including Republican presidential candidates, say the pipeline would advance energy independence in North America and construction of it will create jobs. Reaction condemning Obama's decision came swiftly on Friday, with many accusing Obama of catering to the green lobby and political left.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie called the decision "predictable."

"I wish he just would have been honest with everybody and done it a long time ago," Christie said in Concord, New Hampshire. "Why did he lie to the American people for so long that he was considering it? Did anybody with any common sense believe that Barack Obama was ever really seriously considering the Keystone pipeline?"

"When I'm president, Keystone will be approved, and President Obama's backward energy policies will come to an end," Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said in a statement.

"The Obama Admin's politically motivated rejection of the Keystone XL Pipeline is a self-inflicted attack on the U.S. economy and jobs," former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush tweeted.

"President Obama is bowing to radical environmentalists and snubbing thousands of high quality, high paying energy sector jobs," Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal tweeted.

"Obama's rejection of #KeystoneXL will flush American jobs down the drain... all to appease the agenda of science denying radicals," Jindal said in another tweet.

Keystone also split a key Democratic constituency -- organized labor.

Terry O'Sullivan, the general president of the Laborers' International Union of North America, blasted the decision. "After a seven-year circus of cowardly delay, the President's decision to kill the Keystone XL Pipeline is just one more indication of an utter disdain and disregard for salt-of-the-earth, middle-class working Americans," O'Sullivan said.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Americalex » Nov 07, 2015 8:41 pm

Meanwhile the scientific community says that NOT having pipelines translates into greater emissions lol
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Fat Tony » Nov 07, 2015 10:11 pm

I have talked to Canadian people who seriously believe that the Lac Megantic catastrophe was a conspiracy between the prime minister of Canada (forever referred to as just: "Steven Harper"), and the evil transnational oil and gas industry. Never mind worrying about what Democrat Americans versus Republican Americans think of Canada, we have seen the enemy and it is us. :mrgreen:

It sounds like America has enough domestic production of oil to tide them over for a while, hence the pipeline deal was quashed. This has become a question of hurt pride in Alberta though.

The powerful non governmental environmental groups have gone a long way to destroying the south/west/east pipeline projects in Canada. They ostensibly are there to protect the Canadian environment, but it could be argued they are merely another way for other interests to carry on economic warfare, to engage in slightly paranoid scenarios.

JFK Jr. was a posterboy for such organizations in Canada.

My impression of his work in this regard (Riverkeepers, etc) was that he was all for keeping Canada pristine for rich foreign tourists. The average Cdn. has no such money to go on guided hunts / fishing trips. / rambling discourse
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Americalex » Nov 08, 2015 7:51 pm

And almost on the same day, they realized that suddenly for the first time since like forever, Canada is no longer the United States' main trading partner.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Hephaestos » Nov 08, 2015 7:53 pm

Fat Tony wrote:I have talked to Canadian people who seriously believe that the Lac Megantic catastrophe was a conspiracy between the prime minister of Canada (forever referred to as just: "Steven Harper"), and the evil transnational oil and gas industry. Never mind worrying about what Democrat Americans versus Republican Americans think of Canada, we have seen the enemy and it is us. :mrgreen:

It sounds like America has enough domestic production of oil to tide them over for a while, hence the pipeline deal was quashed. This has become a question of hurt pride in Alberta though.

The powerful non governmental environmental groups have gone a long way to destroying the south/west/east pipeline projects in Canada. They ostensibly are there to protect the Canadian environment, but it could be argued they are merely another way for other interests to carry on economic warfare, to engage in slightly paranoid scenarios.

JFK Jr. was a posterboy for such organizations in Canada.

My impression of his work in this regard (Riverkeepers, etc) was that he was all for keeping Canada pristine for rich foreign tourists. The average Cdn. has no such money to go on guided hunts / fishing trips. / rambling discourse

To some extent the enemy really is us since we are the ones who elect stupid leftist governments Obama in America and now Trudeau in Canada. I feel sorry for the good people of Alberta since that province is not only a natural resource haven but also a traditionalist heartland of conservatism notwithstanding the socialist provincial government elected earlier this year. As for your last point, yeah elites love to stack the deck in their own favor and screw everyone else. Oil is the perfect example, keep the environment pure and unspoiled for the rich to sightsee while damning the everyday Canadians and Americans who could actually benefit from having more oil to fillup their cars and such and maybe even lower gas prices through higher supply but don't tell that to radical environmentalists their heads will explode.
Americalex wrote:And almost on the same day, they realized that suddenly for the first time since like forever, Canada is no longer the United States' main trading partner.

No surprise, Obama has been hard core anti-Canadian from the start, not just keystone but also softwood lumber, Northwest Passage etc.
Americalex wrote:Meanwhile the scientific community says that NOT having pipelines translates into greater emissions lol

It's always impossible to reason with leftists, they never let pesky little facts get in the way of their radical agenda. They live and breathe the noble lie over hard truths.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby -MM- » Nov 09, 2015 3:14 am

Americalex wrote:Meanwhile the scientific community says that NOT having pipelines translates into greater emissions lol


Can you provide me some links? I would be interested in reading about this.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Americalex » Nov 09, 2015 8:54 am

-MM- wrote:Can you provide me some links? I would be interested in reading about this.

I heard it on NPR but I found this link and it is a conclusion of the state department:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/bar ... d-increase

The state department based its conclusions on scientific studies comparing the various go/no-go scenarios.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Bayowolf » Nov 17, 2017 12:50 pm

It will be approaching 90 degrees today (November 17) here (where the temperature should be in the 70s) so--as far as I'm concerned--global warming isn't coming--it's here. Like it or lump it. My problem with the Keystone pipeline was not so much global warming; my problem was the prospect of the pipeline leaking shit into the ground water.

ITYS:

https://weather.com/news/news/2017-11-16-keystone-pipeline-oil-leak-south-dakota

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Fat Tony » Nov 17, 2017 3:02 pm

Cleanups are based on RBCA. Various constituents flow through the groundwater all the time which ppl. today would consider wrong and dirty. What scientific baseline are youreferring to wrt. groundwater stds; because that depends on the juristiction and the approved land use in a given area. All the best.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Bayowolf » Nov 17, 2017 6:51 pm

I know that the FDA allows a certain percentage of bug parts in the food and various localities allow (hopefully) low PPMs in the tap water so I don't have a pollyannish view of reality. However, I'll admit that, at the time that I wrote the previous post, I was thinking that any crude (much less 210,000 gallons) in the ground water was unacceptable. Hopefully, they'll get it cleaned up before too much damage occurs.

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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Fat Tony » Nov 17, 2017 9:57 pm

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract

For certain pollutants your concerns are well founded. The abstract of the above paper tells about the most problematic ones. These have greater density than water thus keep sinking out of realistic attempts to treat them out of the gw.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Fat Tony » Nov 17, 2017 10:00 pm

"https://clu-in.org/contaminantfocus/default.focus/sec/dense_nonaqueous_phase_liquids_(dnapls)/cat/Chemistry_and_Behavior/p/2/n/2/l/4"


*I put the quotation marks there to work around problems rendering the link on Alex's forum. You are going to have to copy/paste srry*
Another article on the dense non aqueous phase liquids. Take note this is my trade yet I am grossly underemployed thus am not politically motivated in the typical sense. :mrgreen:
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Fat Tony » Nov 18, 2017 8:35 pm



The little kid in me urged me to post this. It is a scientific study of what happens in the typical freight train accident.

Not really a laughing matter in real life.

It can be argued that there is no snow white alternative to shipping volatiles. It is either freight train or pipeline. The other option is inter region shipping on the high seas.
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Re: Obama rejects Keystone over global warming alarmism

Postby Windwalker » Nov 19, 2017 12:45 pm

Obama's Energy Department spear-headed an extensive multi-million dollar study for more than two years on the impact of the XL pipeline.

The result of the Obama's study was that the pipeline would greatly reduce the chance of negative environmental impact and it would also reduce the industry's carbon footprint significantly.

Yet in light of this study (that you and I paid for) Obama and Clinton both still continued maintaining their position of blocking the project.... So Bayo, you are welcome to use all the "evidence" you wish (i.e. your favorite Uncle told you it should be a perfect 72 degrees 24-7 in the Phoenix area because it would be convenient for you) but the matter of the fact is the "Leaders" pushing AGW on you don't believe it themselves based on their own actions.

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Common sense tells us it is more efficient to water a lawn with a garden-hose than with a spouted bucket, but somehow this common-sense approach gets lost when it is a miles-long steel hose that a man could crawl through. (as if the added variables of the scale of the project somehow has the power to alter the underlying physics.)

Where were the AGW alarmists and people concerned over oil leaks when the other 305,000 miles of hazardous-liquids mainlines were put in place?

I can tell you where they were, they were sitting on their hands. This is a simple case of Dems at the Federal level using the additional red-tape of it being an international project to gin-up political capital. (i.e. Its an issue they only care about if they think it will win them votes in the short term.)
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