Brabant killers wth?

Brabant killers wth?

Postby Fat Tony » Jul 14, 2018 8:39 pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMyst ... bende_van/

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I had no idea this was going on at the time. It was off radar in Canada.

I visited Belgium in 1984. This was the year when the gang was laying low. My father's childhood friend was keeping a loaded.22 self loading rifle within arm's reach at all times while at home. We were visiting a relative in a rural area when two gentlemen wearing three piece suits knocked on the door. Our relative said something short & sharp to them after which they left. Our relative said they were some kind of government investigators. During a side trip to Spain we noticed a heavy police presence in the resort town we were visiting. It was common to see gendarmes or what have you with submachineguns slung.



Of course we were in Franco's Spain. ETA was very active during that era.

Our relatives at the time stated that Brussells was not safe.

All of this makes more sense to me now. It was odd & confusing at the time. One thing which does not make sense is the investigation into the Brabant Killers. It does not compute.
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Re: Brabant killers wth?

Postby Fat Tony » Jul 14, 2018 9:12 pm

This fits in though with the reputation Belgium has as a one stop shopping destination for mercenaries, diamond smugglers, narcotics trafficers, racketeers & other categories of legitimate businessmen.

Recall the Frederick Forsyth novel The Dogs of War, featuring a Flemish farmer who possessed a large cache of MP 40 submachineguns courtesy of the Heer. Every so often selling some off to legitimate businessmenwho paid cash & asked no questions. How else to keep the lights on?

This always stood out for me for some reason. I would like to know where Mr. Forsyth got his research material from. Imagination or some place else?
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Re: Brabant killers wth?

Postby Fat Tony » Jul 15, 2018 10:15 pm

http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/08/mass ... s.html?m=1

^ Sketch of the Aalst massacre in the Delhaize supermarket.

This is a rabbithole.
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Re: Brabant killers wth?

Postby Fat Tony » Aug 21, 2018 6:49 am

https://www.psiram.com/de/index.php/U.S ... ual_30-31B

^The confirmed faked by USSR trolls US Army Field Manual 30-31 B.

So the author Ganser was either assuming this fake manual was real, did not care & was out to make a quick buck, or something else. Ganser supposedly was the first to publicize the term: "the strategy of tension." When considering the Nivelles Gang, this raises some concerns and other troubling thoughts.

For example, for every army in a war secret or otherwise, there is an opposing army.

If I lost you,sorry. The Swiss author Ganser wrote a sort of sensationalist fake expose on Gladio in 1994. Again the internet was just beginning, & it was harder for ppl. to check out bona fides. Even then the vast majority of citizens never heard of Gladio. To be sure, Gladio was only just barely made known in 1990 at which point it was largely disbanded, the supposed exception being Turkey.

The thing is there is a phenomenon called the Years of Lead associated with Italy. This referred to extremely violent terrorist attacks which would happen out of the blue, were professional in nature, which picked arbitrary targets & often were not associated with communiques recieved by the authorities or media after the fact.

The fact is Italian citizens were pretty much forced to have front row centre seats in a twenty year three way war between fascists, communists, and the state authorities. Not sure about the Belgium business though. It still does not add up.

In the Italian business, the Communist camp was supported by a Czech secret association (StB), PLO and KGB.

So Belgium occupies a place in:"The heart of Europe" - this is a touristy saying associated with Belgium. NATOHQ has almost always been in Belgium.

The State Security Service VSSE has been aroundsince 1830, the oldest state security organization aside from that of the Vatican States.

Belgium was more stable than Italy, or at least gave the impression of being so.

I picked up a book by Woodward about the secret wars of the CIA 1981-1987. When and if I get time to read it, some new light will be shed on the era over in Europe.

I theorize that the Nivelles Gang was supported by the enemies of NATO. To strike at the heart of Europe with impunity, with absolute secrecy, with no responsibility claimed by state or non state actors. What better way to sow discord and fear than that?

"From hell's heart I strike at thee." Thee being the seat of Western European civilization.
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Re: Brabant killers wth?

Postby Fat Tony » Aug 31, 2018 4:21 pm

Another thought occurred to me. The next country over from Belgium, France, was a very unstable country all during the post war period all the way through the end of the Cold War with a brief respite, it is trending towards chaos again. The Chief of Police of Paris was a well known and notorious Nazi collaborator. He engineered at least one round up & off the books massacre of Algerian undesirables . The mo was unknown persons gathered up the undesireables, bound them, and threw them into the Seine over convenient river bridges. A nasty undercurrent was afoot in Europe all through the post war and Cold War era, with a veneer of 'nothing to see here move along'.
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Re: Brabant killers wth?

Postby Fat Tony » Sep 04, 2018 6:09 pm

I might have to take Joan Didion's criticism of Woodward into consideration before plowing through Woodward's book:

Joan Didion has leveled the most comprehensive criticism of Woodward, in a lengthy September 1996 essay in The New York Review of Books.[43] Though "Woodward is a widely trusted reporter, even an American icon", she says that he assembles reams of often irrelevant detail, fails to draw conclusions, and make judgments. "Measurable cerebral activity is virtually absent" from his books after Watergate from 1979 to 1996, she said. She said the books are notable for "a scrupulous passivity, an agreement to cover the story not as it is occurring but as it is presented, which is to say as it is manufactured." She ridicules "fairness" as "a familiar newsroom piety, the excuse in practice for a good deal of autopilot reporting and lazy thinking." All this focus on what people said and thought—their "decent intentions"—circumscribes "possible discussion or speculation", resulting in what she called "political pornography".


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