Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 12, 2014 11:35 am

Bearsy wrote:
Americalex wrote:I don't subscribe to the retarded socialist egalitarian notions which you espouse according to which everything has the same value , sorry.

Right! Robin Williams has touched more people than you or I ever will. I'm not the one upset over that fact.

^ Non-sequitur: potential sign of traumatic neural scarring
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bearsy » Aug 12, 2014 11:45 am

Americalex wrote:you got banned multiple times

And unbanned multiple times. Just so the record is clear here.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 12, 2014 11:51 am

As you proudly demonstrated, bans are ineffective against individuals who have no respect for the concept of the rule of law, hence I figured that by negotiating a consent based exile I would have more success. But then again people who have no respect for the rule of law also tend to have no concept of keeping their own word. History is replete with examples of Islamo-Humanists who fall into that category, of having no word nor any respect for the rule of law, so you are not alone in this situation, I realize that.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bearsy » Aug 12, 2014 12:07 pm

Nice self-justification. Except its completely false.

I have not "jumped ban" in a very long time. The last like 3 unbans you did were out of the kindness of your attention seeking heart.

Face it. You like me.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby NightShade » Aug 12, 2014 12:11 pm

Alex, you just condoned and abetted genocide in Gaza in another thread and yet your cognitive dissonance jetpack sure gives you moral high ground. I'll refrain from posting a picture of a a dead foetus from a pregnant woman who was directly shot by a sniper in her womb , killing her and her unborn child ,"as you can see the bullet have penetrated the head and made a big hole".

Most people younger than thirty or thirty-five grew up watching his shit so it's not particularly surprising that there is celebrity spectacle given how this capitalist cultural machine works.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bearsy » Aug 12, 2014 12:12 pm

Oh crap. Alex is going to think I called you up or something. lol
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby NightShade » Aug 12, 2014 12:22 pm

Yes, that's it. That imminently conspiratorial and reductive thinking that always brings him to the barricades of Western civilization every fortnight in the pursuit of projecting his own barbarity onto whichever brown bogeyman that pops up.

I been lurking for some time.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 12, 2014 12:44 pm

^ thinks in racist terms :roll:

Why are you so butt hurt that Israel is defending itself against declared enemies whose admitted actions are aimed at causing Israel's utter genocide and destruction? Why are you on the side of those who wish these evil things? Is it because you are a muslim yourself? Or is it because you're a humanist hence view Islam as natural allies in that quest to eradicate "that lesser race".
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bearsy » Aug 12, 2014 1:18 pm

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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby NightShade » Aug 12, 2014 1:43 pm

I was going to say Muslim, then non-Christian and settled on that out of pattern recognition. You exclusively focus on a specific racialised hegemonic caricature of Islam - similar to what I assume is your willfully infantile understanding of anthropology.

To answer your question in your language: because you are a hypocrite with no sense of Truth. In reality, Hamas leaders have repeatedly made it clear that Hamas would accept a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus that has been blocked by the U.S. and Israel for 40 years. In contrast, Israel is dedicated to the destruction of Palestine, and is implementing that commitment. It's almost as if they are a settler-colonial apartheid state.

You vehemently oppose abortion and abet acts such as I described and those innumerable untold against children born and unborn. That entire paragraph is a euphemism. You deprive all meaning from the word 'defend'. Ethnic cleansing is not self-defence. Compare the material context and power dynamics at play. They are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing. You can’t defend yourself when you’re militarily occupying someone else’s land. That’s not defence. Call it what you like, it’s not defence. Here is what they are defending against:

55 percent of the wounded are women and children who were home at the time they were attacked.
Over 35 percent of the wounded suffer from visual, hearing, or mobility impairments.
Those children playing on the beach in front of journalists.
The four hospitals destroyed.

Even in the US, among those under thirty a slight majority think Israel's actions are unjustifiable.



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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 12, 2014 1:49 pm

Do you think that falling in the secular Islamo-Humanist religious demarcation hinders your ability to blame Hamas for starting the conflict by launching thousands of rockets at civilian targets in Israel and deliberately firing them from civilian areas inside Gaza to use palestinians as human shields (in addition to putting their invasion tunnels in civilian areas also)?
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bayowolf » Aug 12, 2014 3:47 pm

Americalex wrote:Do you think that falling in the secular Islamo-Humanist religious demarcation hinders your ability to blame Hamas for starting the conflict by launching thousands of rockets at civilian targets in Israel and deliberately firing them from civilian areas inside Gaza to use palestinians as human shields (in addition to putting their invasion tunnels in civilian areas also)?

One thing I *always* knew about Palestine is that it's a nation run by idiots. But given the fact that Gaza is completely urbanized [2,000,000 people in 135 square miles...do the math], where else is Hamas going to site their artillery? In the middle of the Med? Or perhaps hot-air balloons? Maybe that's the purpose of the tunnels: To transport the rockets into Israel and launch them from there. The fact that they have none of these options but they launch rockets anyway shows that they're idiots.

Back to the subject at hand: Alex, I'm rather touched that you posted that Craig Ferguson clip and the meme picture. I knew it: You do have a heart! (Don't worry, I won't tell anyone--it'll be our little secret.) :mrgreen:
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 12, 2014 4:04 pm

@Nightshade
Nice to see you post terms you learned from me while lurking.. You're obviously the liar here, though you are only successful at proving yourself as such: http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm. So in your simple mind, you believe that non-muslims can't speak Arabic and that you are able to get away with blatant lies? I understand that this is how your religion has always worked, but we now live in the information age, and unless your barbarically evil team succeeds at destroying human civilization you won't be able to fool too many people aside from the already delusional and cowardly humanist crowd -your allies-, things just don't work that way anymore I'm afraid.

Hamas Constitution wrote:'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.' (Article 6) 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

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My qualm is not with having a thread about Robin Williams! It was a beef voiced specifically at all the people expressing overly self-important spam in emotionalist drama about his departure on social media, at the notable expense of other -more saddening- events. Now concerning your comment in support of Hamas: So from your regular humanist perspective, it's okay to break the Geneva convention by firing rockets on civilians purposefully as long as you are doing it from within the territory of the Judeo-Christian nation you are seeking to annihilate, got it. Humanists are somewhat less evil than Islamists, I guess!

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I have difficulty understanding by what mechanism of humanist logic you come to the belief that the victims of your harassment somehow "like you". I can assure you that there is no way for me to like a person who is so hostile and harrassing, I feel sorry for you though, that you were deceived into this shit hole mindset as per your upbringing in some Islam financed perverted pseudo-christian doctrine, the same one that got Hitler entirely off the rails. It doesn't excuse your choices though, everyone has free will and owns up to the consequences of their choices no matter what background they come from.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 13, 2014 8:16 am

I think the broader question for society that inevitably jumps at us concerning this event is: "Is suicide a humanist act?"
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bearsy » Aug 13, 2014 10:47 am

No one else is going to ask that.

We're going to keep asking the more important questions like "How do we stop people from committing suicide?" and "How do we prevent/stop depression?"

Or even "What genetic links are there to bipolar, manic, etc". Was Robin Williams a manic depressive his whole life? He certainly came off as manic, but maybe we never saw the depressive bits?
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 13, 2014 10:56 am

I think the questions are intertwined in the sense that the answer to yours resides in our ability to provide people with an alternative conception of reality than the humanist paradigm provides. The most humanist nations tend to have the highest suicide rates, this is an unavoidable fact that humanists are not comfortable discussing, I get that. But if the goal is to help save lives, maybe that's a discussion that they should consider having, especially since by your own admission their minds have never dared to even contemplate this relationship between their creed and this devastating waste of human potential.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bearsy » Aug 13, 2014 11:08 am

Well I agree. Current society does not give a meaningful purpose for people. The pervasive overreaching message is for everyone to find their own purpose. Its turning out to be a pretty hollow and empty pursuit.

I don't think this is actually something that applies to Robin Williams per se. There is no 1 answer to suicide. There are things to take into account like health and drugs etc. But I'm more worried about young people.

But clearly catholicism/christ is not the answer. If it was people would go to those sources then. Churches reach out to people, and its a noble effort, but I can say from experience there is no meaningful purpose, no deepness or depth, of the mainstream religions we have available to us today. If you're going to tell me god is the answer then I don't have hope for our youth!
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Bearsy » Aug 13, 2014 11:52 am

You're not going to like this theory Alex!

So the question is: Why is suicide higher in wealthier and happier countries? The theory is: everything is relative. People are relative creatures. Humans think of their own happyness relative to their immediate surroundings, relative to the happyness of their immediate peers, neighborhood, society etc.

So the theory is when you're "down" in a shitty third world country where everyone else is also pretty down, you don't "feel" as bad.

But if you're "down" in a happy country... well its much worse. Because you see everyone else living it up, having a wonderful time, and you're stuck down here. The gap is perceived to be big, and you seem to be really low down.

My feeling is suicide is not tied to an inverse of spiritualism or anything like that. But it is a side effect of an increasingly happier society. This is not a cop out! This is still a problem we have to figure out. But its a new problem which requires a new answer. I just don't think catholicism/jesus is the answer to this new problem.
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Re: Robin Williams, R.I.P.

Postby Americalex » Aug 13, 2014 12:50 pm

Sure but, what purpose would you give them and how would it be given?
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