US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2014

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Postby Americalex » Sep 24, 2013 12:14 am

Hephaestos wrote:And to Alex, that they demand "voluntary" human extinction rather than forced does kind of lessen the mortal danger (not completely eliminates it though, they still have abortion as their primary human culling method) they pose to humanity but human extinction voluntary or not as a solution to environmental problems still strikes me as extreme.

Yeah but from my perspective they are basically appealing to fellow humanists and I rationalize it as an unconscious desire to end their 'sandbox' experiences in mankind's story by basically sundering themselves from any linear genetic stream. What they are accomplishing is nothing more than condemning themselves to the same fate as the giants, who became the demons which are discarnate beings erring in the ethereal world, incapable of incarnating into physical bodies because their seed was wiped out in the flood. It's a self-effacing problem basically, these souls removing themselves from acting circulation in society will not prevent normal people from continuing to perpetuate themselves through their generations, hence if they chose to go that route at least they're not harming tons of innocents in the same process, as many atheists have done on numerous occasions in their blatant disregard for human life and hatred of mankind in general. In that sense it's more of a graceful logoff, consent based and the only crowd they will attract are similar minded folks. Off course given a chance to explain my views I would attempt to dissuade them of taking this path, as it is filled with gnashing of teeth, but ultimately it's their free-will not mine.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Hephaestos » Sep 24, 2013 12:29 am

Good point and good riddance to them! We normal people can just go on with our daily lives as the Eco-fascists make themselves extinct.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bayowolf » Sep 24, 2013 10:19 am

What makes VHEMT extreme are not tactics--besides, tactics can change at a moment's notice--but their notion that Humanity is expendable. And, 'Alex, this notion makes them not Humanists but antithetical to Humanism.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Americalex » Sep 24, 2013 10:47 am

Bayowolf wrote:And, 'Alex, this notion makes them not Humanists but antithetical to Humanism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... nism.shtml

Humanist ideas

Most humanists would agree with the ideas below:

* There are no supernatural beings.
* The material universe is the only thing that exists.
* Science provides the only reliable source of knowledge about this universe.
* We only live this life - there is no after-life, and no such thing as reincarnation.
* Human beings can live ethical and fulfilling lives without religious beliefs.
* Human beings derive their moral code from the lessons of history, personal experience, and thought.


That is the perfect theological foundation for arriving at the logical conclusion that what the VHEMT promotes and espouses is desirable and appealing. They observe that the Earth is becoming overpopulated, and devise a rational consent based means of countering that problematic: to them it is perfectly ethical, logical and reasonable.

And here is the theological mission, conforming precisely with the type of action the VHEMT adopts:

Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities.

They clearly seek to achieve exactly that through their action, a more humane society where the indignity of overpopulation and the abject conditions which accompany it are eradicated.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bayowolf » Sep 24, 2013 8:12 pm

Damn! I guess I was too focused on the word "EXTINCTION" when I was accusing them of being anti-Humanist, but you make them sound like people with which you and I and, maybe, Heph and Bearsy should meet up in a bar and do "12-ounce curls" together!

Hell, I'm all for reduction in population myself...but I'm not hip to the drastic, World-War-3 or outbreak of military-grade bubonic plague type of population control. I would like to see a reduction of the world population down to 1 or 2 Billion but done over the period of a couple of centuries and mainly through a combination of a reduction of the birth rate (not through abortion, Heph. and emigration...to Space.

To the extent that I'm environmentally concerned, I consider myself a "bright" or "viridian" type of Greenie. I believe that the convergence of technological change and social innovation provides the most successful path to sustainable development.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bearsy » Sep 25, 2013 1:30 am

I'm not going to be the one to sacrifice my lineage for someone elses lineage to live comfortably.

I'd rather my legacy be around for the grueling fight for food and resources then not be around at all.

The inevitable overpopulation will lead to suffering but I don't think it would lead to the extinction of the entire human civilization. The way "life" works is to fill up every space, find any available niche and survive there. If its not me, its someone else. But if you want to make space for me, I won't complain.

Though what I'd really like is for warp travel to be invented so we don't have to worry about it at all.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Hephaestos » Dec 07, 2013 5:17 pm

UPDATE: It's official, Keystone is as good as dead now, thing is Obama will only formally kill it next year. This despot has done more to destroy US-Canadian ties than anyone else in history and he has struck a huge blow against our goal of union now that our economies will be pushed further apart by his upcoming dictatorial decision to cancel the pipeline to appease his far left billionaire donors.

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Billionaire Tom Steyer Supports Obama, Hates the Keystone
By Dianna Wray Thu., Dec. 5 2013 at 6:00 AM

Back in June, President Obama made a big environment speech at Georgetown. He tackled the Keystone XL Pipeline in said speech, proclaiming that he will only approve the pipeline if pipeline supporters can prove it won't accelerate climate change.

Well, some might have seen that speech as the president using that moment to set things up so he actually could approve the pipeline project that will tote stick black bitumen from the Canadian tar sands to refineries on the Gulf coast (the decision is guaranteed to either piss off the environmentalists against it or the union people who want it to happen.) However, billionaire Tom Steyer took the statement as a line in the sand guaranteeing that Obama has no choice but to shutdown all hopes of Keystone approval.

Steyer turned up in Georgetown this week holding a press conference to remind people what Obama said a few months back and how that means the Keystone -- stranded in regulatory red-tape purgatory, despite all kinds of encouragement from the Canadians -- must be shot down.

Steyer is a hedge fund executive and environmental activist from San Francisco. He's also one of the president's biggest donors, as the L.A. Times pointed out. Granted, the president doesn't have to actually get himself elected again, but being at odds with one of your big check writers still isn't generally considered good politics.

The Keystone decision was supposed to be decided by the end of the year, but the government shutdown slowed things over at the State Department so it's been delayed to sometime next year. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Either way, the oil industry has moved on, turning to shale plays in Texas and across the country to fill the Keystone-shaped hole in their production while environmentalists and landowners, who still would rather the Keystone just not be a thing that exists, including the rich ones like Steyer, and keep hoping that they'll get their wish.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Americalex » Dec 08, 2013 3:02 am

Quebec says yes however,

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Quebec Committee approves Enbridge pipeline reversal plan, but adds conditions
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Com ... story.html

Fearing the pipeline would be used to export western crude through the province, the first recommendation of the committee is that Enbridge agree to transport oil only to Quebec refineries.

If I remember correctly British-Columbia pretty much shut the door down on a new pipeline... and the U.S. is about to completely stop needing Albertan Oil based on their engineering innovations allowing shale gas exploitation in previously impossible locations. They say that within 5 years America will be the world's top oil producer, with proven reserves way bigger than Saudi Arabia... it's extremely bad news for Albertans, who didn't diversify their economy enough and have been busy ignoring the reports that point to their risk of default within 20 years being as high as Ontario... around 85%. Since Alberta and Ontario are the two pillars of English-Canada... does this point towards a general mid-term stagnation/collapse of the English-Canadian industrial core? Quebec will help out, but we'll do the refining ourselves... tough luck New-Brunswick? I guess the solution is for enough oil to flow through that both Quebec's refineries run at full capacity and the Maritimes can get the overflow if any. Canada also has a shit load of shale gas, almost as big an estimated reserve as the U.S.. Together we'd be able to provide the oil needs of the entire world for half a millennia basically. Way enough for us to make the leap into space-faring solar system settling nuclear spaceship era.

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My house sits over shale gas literally. I have neighbors with signs in their windows saying "No to shale gas". :D
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Hephaestos » Dec 09, 2013 12:59 am

I guess that's the silver lining in all this, if Ontario and Alberta the two chief economic pillars, Ontartio as industrial pillar and Alberta as oil production pillar collapse then English Canada will be in freefall just waiting to be caught by the U.S. that is only if we can return to economically sound constitutional government and get our own house in order first and ridding ourselves of Obama and his cronies is number one on the to do list for that to happen. I've long known that oil shale was found in enormous quantities in North America but I was always wondering how long it would take before we developed the technology to convert it to useable petroleum and I had no idea we were already doing so. The U.S. and Canada stand to be energy superpowers given our gargantuan reserves of black gold as I call it, heck we could and should be one energy superpower for Western Civilization's sake. Quebec is very fortunate indeed to have easy access to the Atlantic Ocean via the St. Lawrence Seaway no need for a pipeline there. :mrgreen:
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bearsy » Dec 09, 2013 1:16 am

Heph you make no sense! America doesn't NEED Alberta oil. Why are you getting your panties in a wad over that? It means that under Obama, America is increasing its own energy production! Under Obama the unemployment rate is down to 7%. Why do you want a pipeline so fucking bad?

Its only bad for Alberta. Nobody wants their dirty crude except New Brunswick.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Americalex » Dec 09, 2013 2:05 am

@hephaestos

I look forward to the day when we can lift the West back up from the suffocation imposed on it by the failboat crowd.. Hopefully this can indeed occur before the islamo-humanists fully realize their commonly shared emotionalist aspirations of ramming Judeo-Christendom permanently into the ground. 8-)
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Hephaestos » Dec 09, 2013 10:35 am

@Bearsy,

America has been increasing its own energy production but that's entirely due to the private sector so too is the increase in employment driven by business hiring in spite of not because of the tax, regulate and spend Obama regime. We are on our way to energy independence but we're not quite all the way there yet plus this pipeline will create badly needed jobs (7% unemployment is hardly stellar) in the meantime both in America and Canada so I wonder why YOU don't want this private sector job booster?

@Alex,

yes this is a distinctly pro-Occidental vision that Islamo-humanists will do everything in their power to sabotage and indeed they are actively trying considering that Obama is so rabidly anti-Canadian as seen time and time again with his positions on the Northwest Passage, softwood lumber, New Ambassador Bridge and now Keystone.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bearsy » Dec 09, 2013 1:42 pm

If I say Obama should approve the Pipeline I might be subverting American Sovreignty :roll:
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Americalex » Dec 09, 2013 2:03 pm

Bearsy wrote:If I say Obama should approve the Pipeline I might be subverting American Sovreignty :roll:

So you want the pipeline? Aren't you happy as a humanist that this "dirty oil" project is getting shut down, for the good of humanity (so that the clean oil of islamic Saudi Arabia can continue to flow freely)?

The saddest part of the Albertan experience is that the Tar Sands was exploited with American capital using American built machinery. Now they'll be left with a really unfortunate situation as their natural economic partners (Texas and the broader mid-west) are sundered from them because of the political border which nationalist-socialists on both sides of the 48th are happy to keep and reinforce further.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bearsy » Dec 09, 2013 2:44 pm

Yeah its not sundered. We're still selling oil to the USA.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Americalex » Dec 09, 2013 2:53 pm

Bearsy wrote:Yeah its not sundered. We're still selling oil to the USA.

But thanks to the federal conservatives you'll have Communist china lording over Alberta when the U.S. gravy train runs dry!
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bearsy » Dec 09, 2013 4:18 pm

My plans are to suck as much money as I can and move back to Ontario.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Americalex » Dec 09, 2013 4:30 pm

Bearsy wrote:My plans are to suck as much money as I can and move back to Ontario.

Like so many other expatriates from the rest of the provinces who work in Alberta. They need the manpower, so it's an okay trade-off I think. When do you think you'll be able to realize your aspiration of moving back with a significant cash wad?
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Bearsy » Dec 09, 2013 4:34 pm

Well my stupid student loans will be paid off in a couple months. I'll then save up for a car (i'm never going into debt ever again). Once I get that I'll be looking for work in Ontario.
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Re: US House approves Keystone, Obama tries to delay until 2

Postby Americalex » Dec 09, 2013 4:35 pm

Bearsy wrote:Well my stupid student loans will be paid off in a couple months. I'll then save up for a car (i'm never going into debt ever again). Once I get that I'll be looking for work in Ontario.

So the humanist education system which you support has suckered you into insurmontable debt? Shit.
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