Separatist movements after annexation

Separatist movements after annexation

Postby TAWM » Oct 12, 2017 2:16 pm

Hello this is my first post on here. I'm taking the observer status because while it would be awesome to unite almost the entire continent of North America I do have concerns about annexation if it does happen.

Separatism movements in Canada are a real thing where is in the United States they are not. Quebec almost did vote to leave Canada for example and the remain vote won by less 1%. In the US states can't leave the union and that was decided by the American Civil War. US territories have and can leave the United States i.e. Philippines being a well known example. However in modern times even in the US territories you don't have any real separatist movements. Hell Puerto Rico finally voted for statehood for the first time. If it wasn't for the protest of a lot of Puerto Ricans not showing up to vote it would be very hard to deny them statehood for those who are against it in the United States.

In Canada you have long standing Quebec separatism and now you have Albertans thinking about leaving Canada as well. If Canada was to be annexed by the United States do you all think these groups would just go away? I'm kind of doubtful of that at in regards to Quebec because they have wanted their own nation state for a long time now. Albertans I'm worried about them becoming a state in the United States being happy for a year or two and then a vote goes down in the federal government that they don't like and them going "You know what it's been fun as a state but I think it's time we try being our own country."

I'd also be worried about other groups in Canada like the monarchists and those who trace their lineage back to the loyalists and other groups that were disenfranchised by the United States trying to start separatist movements. I'm just curious as to what you all think would happen if Canada gets annexed by the United States in regards to separatist movements. Call me cynical but I just don't think a lot of these groups are going to magically disappear and I really don't know how the US Government would deal with them.

I have more concerns as well but I'll post them in another topic because this to me deserves it's own topic and needs an in depth conversation.
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Re: Separatist movements after annexation

Postby Americalex » Oct 12, 2017 9:43 pm

OMG man I just finished writing a long winded complehensive response to your post and then everything was lost as I got prompted to login again. :oops: Pro tip: always control-c your post before hitting submit = a nice habit to have in order to not be filled with desponsdance. I'll give it another shot later once the jinx dissipates enough. It's very dissapointing because my response was very well formulated.
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Re: Separatist movements after annexation

Postby TAWM » Oct 14, 2017 1:10 pm

I look forward to your response
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Re: Separatist movements after annexation

Postby ebarlow » Aug 28, 2018 1:15 pm

I don't believe that those types of movements will be of any consequence if a merger were to happen. It would be my hope that there would be a semi-waiting period prior to receiving full statehood in the union where the Provence is able to get their feet on the ground for self governance prior to being admitted to the union. It would be during this time that those groups would come up if they would at all.... that being said, we always have some fringe groups that want to change things. But, living in a society that encourages and supports those views allows a voice to those concerns.

I think that as a state, all the provinces will have better representation in the houses of power, which seems to be the biggest issue that most of the groups have. We can have the room for all of the different voices in our one country.
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Re: Separatist movements after annexation

Postby Nuke » Sep 13, 2018 1:53 am

Quebec could leave if their departure were approved by the US Congress; I doubt the Supreme Court would reject it, if so.
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Re: Separatist movements after annexation

Postby Americalex » Sep 14, 2018 11:47 am

One of the main drivers of Quebecers being willing to consider leaving Canada is because the humanist constitution was imposed on us unilaterally and we are not a signatory party to it.

If Quebec joins the United States of it's own volition, there will be zero reason for us to ever consider such a prospect. Unless another "patriation" moment happened there..
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Re: Separatist movements after annexation

Postby Bayowolf » Sep 14, 2018 12:42 pm

Americalex wrote:One of the main drivers of Quebecers being willing to consider leaving Canada is because the humanist constitution was imposed on us unilaterally and we are not a signatory party to it.

If Quebec joins the United States of its own volition, there will be zero reasons for us to ever consider such a prospect. Unless another "patriation" moment happened there.

There is no chance of the Constitution of 1787 being "patriated"; it was "patriated" on the 4th of July, 1776, and the point was hammered home on the 19th of October, 1781, at Yorktown.

If Quebec joins the Union it will for good--that point was hammered home at Wilmer McLean's house in Appomattox on the 9th of April, 1865.
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Re: Separatist movements after annexation

Postby Americalex » Sep 14, 2018 12:54 pm

Indeed and the original constitution would be a preferable situation, there the humanists imposed their socialized constitution quickly but thankfully it was severely hampered by the insistence on including the bill of rights, originally intended to limit the things the central government was allowed to do. Unfortunately over time this was distorted as the US became progressively democratized, but still even to this day I am thankful that your nation took on the mantle of "most christian nation", a charge that was handed to it by the last king of France.
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